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Do These Statements Make Sense re the Labour Leadership?

Knowing that simple statements always obscure the important structural analysis underpinning them, do the following statements make sense?
  1. Barring an unforeseeable occurrence (such as Nelson Mandela getting released from prison or the Berlin Wall coming down), the next elected government will be dominated by either the Labour Party or the Conservative Party.
  2. It would be better for progressive thinkers if the next government was a coalition with Labour and any progressive parties (Greens, SNP, LibDems, UKIP…?).
  3. It would be better if Labour was led by progressive Jeremy Corbyn rather than tory-light Yvette Cooper.
  4. The last thing the corporate elite wants is  progressive, anti-austerity governments that represent people rather than corporations.
  5. The elite will use everything at their disposal (including money, their political lackeys and the mainstream media) to undermine/discredit Corbyn.
If those points are logical (are they?) shouldn’t activists take advantage of the opportunity given by the Labour Party to vote for Corbyn for the Labour Leadership? If you are not a party member it only costs £3 - what’s that in the greater scheme of things?
The upsurge in support for Corbyn has caused the Blairites within the Labour Party to panic. It’s now harder the find the links on their webpage to register to vote for the leadership.
Then scroll right down to the bottom and over to the right, under the column headed ‘Get Involved’, you will find the words ‘Become a Registered Supporter’. Click those words and you should get to where you need to be.
If you do vote for Corbyn, wouldn't it be best to vote for Liz Kendall as deputy leader, due to the way the votes are counted?
COMMENTS PLEASE!!!

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1-4 make sense. Not sure about 5. I think the Tories are keen to see Corbyn win because they think it will split the Labour Party. This may be true, but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Vote for someone you can believe in and if we all do the same, real progressive change can happen. I've joined the Labour Party to make my voice heard.

Two things:

1. I was mistaken in thinking it would be better for Corbyn to vote Liz Kendall for Deputy Leader. People have to vote for first and second choice for Leader. It would work better for Corbyn to vote Liz Kendall as second choice for Leader. It would work best for Corbyn to vote Tom Watson as Deputy Leader.


2. To address your point Jon - that Tories are keen to see Corbyn win because they think it will split the Labour Party. True or otherwise, I doubt that anyone from the Tory Party has officially advised their members to fake allegiance to Labour, pay £3 and vote for Corbyn. To spin that possibility would, however, serve to make Corbyn seem less credible to dithering Labour supporters. My guess is that is most likely what has been done.

I agree with you wholeheartedly Jon - vote for someone you can believe in and if we all do the same, real progressive change can happen.

Here's a useful analysis of the media coverage Corbyn is getting right now.

http://medialens.org/index.php/alerts/current-alert.html

For too long we have had a right wing agenda dominating politics.  That has resulted in there being no real alternative; just different versions of the same stale message.  Corbyn at last offers the chance of a real choice.  That is what democracy is all about.  Do we want more of 'corpocracy' or do we want something different?  I know what I want and it is not Cameron, Osborne et al, who represent the 1%.

 The system of voting for the Labour Leadership  is by Proportional Representation.

This means all votes , including  the 2nd choice count.

Liz Kendall has little chance of winning.To keep other Tory lite candidates out. Vote Jermy Corbyn 1st choice and Liz Kendall 2nd choice'

Tom Watson for Deputy Leader. Lets lead the fightback for the people and the  Labour Party.

I agree with those statements Joe. I've also just registered so I can vote for Jeremy. It's so refreshing to actually have a politician who stands for something. 

I'm not sure what I think about the second vote/deputy leader thing yet, but I appreciate others' thoughts on this here. I'll look into it. 

Hi Ruth

From what I've gathered Daniel is right. Corbyn for Leader, Kendall second choice for leader, Watson for Deputy Leader.  I think we have to register to vote and pay £3 by the 12th. See instructions in the original post for how to get there. Let us know what you come up with when you've looked into it.

This is the best chance we the people have had for years. Let's hope the corporate spin doctors (including the Guardian) don't scare too many people as to the wisdom of getting someone who represents people rather than corporations into a position of power.

Yes I agree with all that Joe and I've paid my £3 to vote for Jeremy Corbyn. He's a massive game - changer and his policies are excellent. He's also offering people like me huge hope. He backs up his talk with 32+ years of good work as an MP and I believe he is a great man.

Yes, good idea, probably go for Liz 'I like Public Enemy' as long as these tactics don't come back to bite us on the bottom.

All the best,

Dylan 

Labour leadership! what Labour  Leadership? Corbyn is the only one displaying leadership at all. If, however you look at the humiliation heaped on Greece for their rejection of Austerity one can only grieve for the misery that would be inflicted on Corbyn and his cohorts by the combined forces of Finance and corrupt politicians and their tame mouthpiece The Mainstream Media who only have to put words on paper or air to be distorting the truth of any given situation. How do you know a politician is lying? his lips are moving!

I actually feel it is very wrong to buy votes in this way. It should only be party members who vote. Having said that, if Labour go back to being left of centre I will happily vote for them again.  I have never been tempted to become a party member because there is still too much i don't agree with them about and I think they are too urbancentric in their policies.  I would like there to be a coalition between Labour and the other minority parties in the next election.

Helen,

         Becoming a Labour Party member for less than the price of a latte/£3  gives you the ability to vote in the next Leadership contest and help to shape the future of this once great country. This will be the most democratic vote ever, because it is open to all members, and is conducted under PR (Proportional representation rule), so all opinions are represented.

I do not consider becoming a Party member as buying a vote , but as entry fee for a committed citizen to have a say in our future.

Elections have to be financed and this is how it is done on an equitable basis.

There is no corporate financing of this election, but there is much corporate interference from the Oligarch owned press to create Fear ,uncertainty and doubt regarding the candidate that best represents the hopes of  our young generation and its future.



Helen Kirsopp said:

I actually feel it is very wrong to buy votes in this way. It should only be party members who vote. Having said that, if Labour go back to being left of centre I will happily vote for them again.  I have never been tempted to become a party member because there is still too much i don't agree with them about and I think they are too urbancentric in their policies.  I would like there to be a coalition between Labour and the other minority parties in the next election.

Daniel - you are not becoming a party member for your £3, you're saying you’re a supporter and getting a vote on the strength of that.

It's harder to find how on the Labour webpage now but I've done my best to guide the way up there on the original post.

Joe

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