Logic and the Brexit referendum - the 3rd option

Usually the mainstream media sides with the Tories, but on this occasion the media is divided and supports both the remain and leave campaigns. As a result the claims from both camps are being exposed equally as lies. You can't fool all the people all the time and currently a large proportion of the public is seeing the system for what it is.

To an extent the campaign is effectively a Tory leadership contest. As both sides are lying and fomenting fear to "persuade" the public, neither side making an honest case for in or out, logically you shouldn't vote for either side. Whatever the result, we'll either have 1 or 2 corrupt and undemocratic governments representing the millionaires instead of the millions.

The 3rd way is to take part in a mass civil revolt using the referendum to change the system. WRECK THE REFERENDUM is a chance to change the system, possibly the last one the nation will ever have - the General Election in 2020 might see a different government than this one, there again it could be more of the same.

Not taking part in the WRECK THE REFERENDUM campaign would mean accepting 4 more years of pointless austerity with the remaining state assets likely to have been sold off at a discount to the City. HS2 and Trident would further burden the nation and future generations with pointless debt.

If we could get the millions who struggle to survive to spoil their ballot papers by writing WDC thereon (WE DEMAND CHANGE) and posting a photo on the campaign page to prevent fiddling the results, we would change the system. The message to the rest of Europe would encourage them to do something similar. We could roll Europe back to its original role as a trading area while new governments by the people would introduce policies for the benefit of the majority. Not Utopia, but a massive step in the right direction. https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=642025475952688&fref=ts

This could be the last chance ever to change the system.

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# The best means to wreck the referendum and the corrupt Tory Leader Cameron is to Vote LEAVE.

You just end up with someone equally unpleasant as the Tory frontman providing smoke and mirrors while the real magic takes place in the City. New system, nothing less will do.

Good idea David, since I can' decide if there is any difference between the two. But I think posting a photo is asking a bit much. Also don't like WDC. I'd just like to write NO on the ballot paper. Wondering whether you've had any support for this idea since it would need to be a mass response to have any effect.

 you miss the point of voting Leave.

We can vote the Tory Govt out of Power in 3 years time. With the EU we are in forever  in an anti democratic institution.

Where the Laws are made by an unelected cabal of 20 Commissioners  

and a European Parliament of well paid and padded troughers, without power.

Out seems to be 'in' at the moment so if you want to be in vote 'OUT'

Or you could spoil your ballot paper and the only votes counted would be those cast by the politicians.

Do you really want to leave the decision to them?

Silly, silly idea from someone who obviously doesn't like the fact that they make the decisions for us now and wants to change things by giving the establishment the last word!

Think again

Regards

Peter

You are right Peter, having thought it over it would be silly to spoil the ballot paper, achieve nothing but leave the decision to others. On the other hand, since I can't really decide....



Peter Martin said:

Out seems to be 'in' at the moment so if you want to be in vote 'OUT'

Or you could spoil your ballot paper and the only votes counted would be those cast by the politicians.

Do you really want to leave the decision to them?

Silly, silly idea from someone who obviously doesn't like the fact that they make the decisions for us now and wants to change things by giving the establishment the last word!

Think again

Regards

Peter

For a democracy to survive, an informed and educated electorate is required. We are bombarded with information from both sides,some true,some exaggerated.

Operation FUD ( Fear, Uncertainty,Doubt ) is in full flow by the Establishment lackeys.

This is a vote of the PEOPLE v Establishment .Vote accordingly LEAVE.

 

 The macro reasons behind the EU are not economic , but Political. It is a means to control the 28 nations in one bloc rather than diverse Govt.

The EU has been a US project since after WW11 to control Europe.

TTIP trade agreement will be imposed without electorate control should we stay in the EU.

I made my mind up for Brexit a long time ago and like most of you, I am fed up with the debate and the false statistics being presented, on both sides, in support of their position. What swayed it for me?

Well I am old enough, I was working when we joined the 'Common Market', to know Great Britain before this great Social experiment. Though this country was broke following the war and rationing lasted until 1955, by 1963 anyone leaving school could walk straight into a job and most company's ran their own apprenticeship schemes. We traded on favourable terms with countries all over the world, Many / most of them Commonwealth countries. This was stopped as a condition of joining the common market and since then we have only been able to trade with countries with which the EU has set up trade deals.

Yes we traded with lots of foreign countries and can again. This country has always been a trading nation

Yes we had workers rights before we joined the Common Market. They perhaps were not as extensive as they are now, but remember, we were trying to rebuild the country and our economy. 

I look at France now and see months of unrest and riots, (No not football Fans). The French Premier pushed a bill onto the statute which increased the working week considerably, reduced the rates of overtime pay and made it easier to hire and fire workers.  The result of this will be to reduce wages and workers rights nd job security. This he did without the bill being considered in parliament. France was, along with Germany, one of the founder members of the Common Market and the EU experiment. What price Social justice now. (And the European Working time directive). Who is leading us and where and into what if we stay in?

Though this country is one of the largest net contributors to the EU, our voice is no stronger than that of the largest beneficiaries. At best we are only one vote in twenty seven.

I really do not know why we are even having the discussion, none of our political parties want anything to do with a Federal European State, we don't want the Euro and chose to be outside the exchange rate mechanism. Our Prime Minister even went to Europe to try to restrict immigration from the other European countries. We couldn't be more out or further out than we are already. 

Lets get back to being an independent 'friend' of European countries, as we always previously were, but free to make our own way in the world.

Peter Martin 

 You make a good point Peter. Many older folk remember the UK before accession to the Uk. Plenty of jobs available and trade worldwide with other nations.We had a Merchant Navy then.'

The young folk do not know life outside the EU and a jump into the unknown is always scary. The world is still their oyster and they can still travel and work worldwide with  just a minor requirement of a visa, easily sorted.

 

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